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You Can't Say You Can't Play

You Can't Say You Can't Play

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Author: Vivian Gussin Paley
Publisher: Harvard University Press
Category: Book

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Rating: 4.0 out of 5 stars 16 reviews
Sales Rank: 29920

Media: Paperback
Number Of Items: 1
Pages: 144
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Dimensions (in): 8.8 x 5.7 x 0.5

ISBN: 0674965906
Dewey Decimal Number: 372.11023
EAN: 9780674965904
ASIN: 0674965906

Publication Date: July 16, 1993
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Who of us cannot remember the pain and humiliation of being rejected by our classmates? However thick-skinned or immune to such assaults we may become as adults, the memory of those early exclusions is as palpable to each of us today as it is common to human experience. We remember the uncertainty of separating from our home and entering school as strangers and, more than the relief of making friends, we recall the cruel moments of our own isolation as well as those children we knew were destined to remain strangers.

In this book Vivian Paley employs a unique strategy to probe the moral dimensions of the classroom. She departs from her previous work by extending her analysis to children through the fifth grade, all the while weaving remarkable fairy tale into her narrative description. Paley introduces a new rule-"You can't say you can't play"-to her kindergarten classroom and solicits the opinions of older children regarding the fairness of such a rule. We hear from those who are rejected as well as those who do the rejecting. One child, objecting to the rule, says, "It will be fairer, but how are we going to have any fun?" Another child defends the principle of classroom bosses as a more benign way of excluding the unwanted.

In a brilliant twist, Faley mixes fantasy and reality, and introduces a new voice into the debate: Magpie, a magical bird, who brings lonely people to a place where a full share of the sun is rightfully theirs. Myth and morality begin to proclaim the same message and the schoolhouse will be the crucible in which the new order is tried. A struggle ensues and even the Magpie stories cannot avoid the scrutiny of this merciless pack of social philosophers who will not be easily caught in a morality tale.

You Can't Say You Can't Play speaks to some of our most deeply held beliefs. Is exclusivity part of human nature? Can we legislate fairness and still nurture creativity and individuality? Can children be freed from the habit of rejection? These are some of the questions. The answers are to be found in the words of Paley's schoolchildren and in the wisdom of their teacher who respectfully listens to them.




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2 out of 5 stars Great idea, but went awry in Magpie Land....   November 15, 2008
 1 out of 1 found this review helpful

This book was an eye-opener for me. I would recommend it to other educators who are noticing certain children being ostracized or ignored. Afterall, who wouldn't want all children to feel included in their class? Unfortunately, because of these good intentions we may have also unknowingly put more focus onto the alienated child. In the future, I will use this question as a springboard for discussion about playground etiquette to hopefully guide them to inclusive play outside of the class. I began reading this book with high expectations and overall the explanation/examples were helpful. However, as for Magpie and the other fantasy friends, my interest was lost and I found that it was harder to digest than the overall story itself. So, other than those vignettes, the book was a decent read.


4 out of 5 stars A very helpful book   November 5, 2008
I enjoyed reading this book as it gave me a tremendous amount of insight in to the world of my own Kindergarten daughter, who at the tender age of 5 is facing being left out by her peers. I really enjoyed the analysis by Ms. Paley of the play behavior of her kids and and the older grades.

Unfortunately I could not sustain interest in the Magpie story, but that may just be my own disinterest in fairy tales.



5 out of 5 stars Great Book by a Great Lady   July 1, 2007
 1 out of 1 found this review helpful

This book shows the heart and soul of the great Vivian Paley who I had the pleasure of meeting when she visited our graduate school class this spring. You'll find insight not only into the child's mind and how children can be educated, but how children (and as they grow to be adults) are damaged by exclusion. An inspiration for this Ph.D. student.


5 out of 5 stars Loved it!   February 28, 2005
 5 out of 9 found this review helpful

This book expresses what many of us know inherently, but Paley finds a way to say it, to bring it into your conscience, and to do it with a lyricism that is her writing "voice." It makes me wish she were my Kindergarten teacher...well, not really, since I still love my dear Mrs. Shabay and Miss Reezak!

If you're a teacher or a parent, the focus is on what is important about play, and most especially, the KINDS of play kids engage in. Makes me want to set up a "dress up" room in my house - - and I don't even have kids yet!



4 out of 5 stars good premise, could have improved the execution of the book   February 24, 2004
 16 out of 18 found this review helpful

I picked up this book at my daughters' school parent lending library- a school that works hard to implement policies like 'you can't say you can't play' (YCSYCP) and it often works. It certainly works inter-age but problems remain between age-mates. I, too, was a rejected child many times and hate to see any child rejected.

The author teaches kindergarten in a Chicago laboratory school and is troubled by the behaviour of children who are excluded and the children who exclude. She explores the idea of setting 'YCSYCP' as a rule by talking to her student and to older students. The younger children have a lot of questions about how the policy will work, and the older children think that if it becomes a rule early on in schooling, it has a better chance of working. Interwoven with the text is a story that the author uses to illustrate these points to her kindergarten students.

After reading well into the book, I wondered about the author since the writing seemed so.... simple, and was surprised to read that she had been honored by the MacArthur Foundation for her storytelling in the classroom. I tried to read her interwoven story with a more open mind and found it to help a little in understanding the point of the story.

The changes in the classroom as a result of 'YCSYCP' were interesting since the children overall became more inventive and more welcoming, as the author hoped they would. The author was able to define changes she had made in her classroom- like eliminating time-outs- as part and parcel of 'YCSYCP'. I think the simple language worked for these children and could be a good starting place for even older children. As the children mature in their understanding of what happens when the habit of exclusion is broken, they will be able to step back and examine exclusion and rejection in more philosophical terms.

I think this book and others you can find like it are worthwhile as people search for ways to make schools more humane and functional for all students, not just the favored.

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